Patrick- You missed the Boulder Basic installment last year but if you make it up this year you'll see that it already claims the title of "retarded climbs". It's hard not to if you're gonna tag each of the local peaks in the same run.
But, knock those hill repeats down to 6hrs and I'd start showing interest...the FAs are in the off season after all!
I firmly believed there was no way that Jemez could be tougher than the SJS. After running (or something that sort of passed as running) at Jemez this weekend I will say that that hands down Jemez is the tougher of the two.
6 hours of Green = in. Five full laps wins it I think though (from Chautaqua). There might be one or two guys I know who could pull six but that would be pretty sick.
24 Hours of Towers is already on the calendar for this summer- July 30 7:00 am to July 31 7:00 am. You're welcome to join us if you think you can keep up--with the running and drinking--of the FoCo crowd.
FoCo has quite a few new breweries and I've been itchin' for a trip up there, so maybe I'll show up for some Towers laps. Was real disappointed when El Chub didn't take us up there.
GZ-why the full return to Chat on each lap? Too much pointless flat running :-) Can definitely tag six starting and finishing at Gregory Trailhead (sans beers).
I think Incline laps would have to include descents of Barr Trail (not the ties) in order to get some actual running in on the day. Haven't done the Incline enough to know what a sustainable lap time would be for me, 50ish minutes (24ish on the ups)?
Yeah, that is 8-12 minutes (ish) of additional running via the Baseline trail (per lap) ... so about an hour at the end of game over six hours. Just the way I usually do it as I don't park at the Gregory trailhead being a Broomfield resident.
I think it depends on what your definition of hard is. If the basic point is which course takes longer to run, I would vote SJS since you're running above 11-12,000 feet for 30 miles or more.
Young Money ran SJS50 in ~8:13 last year when conditions were unbelievably perfect (no post holing, few snow drifts to cross, drier trails than usual, fewer creek crossings, and a 30 mph tailwind across the divide). And Lake City itself is such an amazing gem surrounded by 14ers with fantastic trails.
I loved SJS because at least it was singletrack and runnable. To me the style of course of Jemez from what I understand would be harder to enjoy.
MC drank spoiled rotten/fermented energy bar-water-mix out of his camelbak by accident and threw up 27 gallons worth at the finish and still ran 7h59, lol.
I'd come down that weekend. Would likely head up higher to get some actual running in too, but come down for the finish. Oh, and where do I get one of those Pikes maps with all the trails you were talking about JT?
Thanks dude, will probs be down next weekend. I'll shoot you an email, my buddy just got a place in Manitou so thinking about an Incline, LRR down, LRR up, Barr, Incline, Barr.
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Obviously the answer is the PP50K.
Wait, el Chubbo beats out PP50k.
Continuing on with the 'FoCo being tougher than CoSp/Manitou' theme, I think we can quite logically derive an answer to your bonus question.
On the original question, I've run the algorithms and all evidence suggests that Jemez is about 10 minutes tougher than San Juan.
On that note, we should just change the FA series to the retarded climbs series and make them all 6 or 12 hours.
Example:
12 hours of Incline
12 hours of Towers (good ring to it)
12 hours of Green
12 hours of Mt. Morrison...
1 beer requirement between laps. Puking is encouraged, no penalites.
Patrick-
You missed the Boulder Basic installment last year but if you make it up this year you'll see that it already claims the title of "retarded climbs". It's hard not to if you're gonna tag each of the local peaks in the same run.
But, knock those hill repeats down to 6hrs and I'd start showing interest...the FAs are in the off season after all!
I ran San Juan. It was awesome. I read about Jemez and I cringe.
I firmly believed there was no way that Jemez could be tougher than the SJS. After running (or something that sort of passed as running) at Jemez this weekend I will say that that hands down Jemez is the tougher of the two.
The correct answer is San Juan. Yunz guys are all idiots. I bet Carpenter would run 6:30 at Jemez.
I think the record for most Incline repeats is five, set by ultrarunning stud Keith Grimes. And he didn't use the Barr Trail shortcut trail.
I like the timed events, 'cuz then yunz guys can't drink all the beer waiting for me to finish.
6 hours of Green = in. Five full laps wins it I think though (from Chautaqua). There might be one or two guys I know who could pull six but that would be pretty sick.
Oh yeah, five if beer for sure.
24 Hours of Towers is already on the calendar for this summer- July 30 7:00 am to July 31 7:00 am. You're welcome to join us if you think you can keep up--with the running and drinking--of the FoCo crowd.
during my visit in a couple of weeks i'm doing 6 X incline to trash the shit out of my legs to even the playing field for our match-up at SJ.
FoCo has quite a few new breweries and I've been itchin' for a trip up there, so maybe I'll show up for some Towers laps. Was real disappointed when El Chub didn't take us up there.
GZ-why the full return to Chat on each lap? Too much pointless flat running :-) Can definitely tag six starting and finishing at Gregory Trailhead (sans beers).
I think Incline laps would have to include descents of Barr Trail (not the ties) in order to get some actual running in on the day. Haven't done the Incline enough to know what a sustainable lap time would be for me, 50ish minutes (24ish on the ups)?
Fun brainstorming...
Yeah, that is 8-12 minutes (ish) of additional running via the Baseline trail (per lap) ... so about an hour at the end of game over six hours. Just the way I usually do it as I don't park at the Gregory trailhead being a Broomfield resident.
Tony, you couldn't get up the Incline in less than two hours anymore. It's full of the minimalist folks who would bug you for pics and autographs.
Incline laps should go up and over on the road above the Incline, bring you out by that yellow sign on Barr Trail.
Trying to pencil in a date for this. What does everyone think of July 23rd?
I think it depends on what your definition of hard is. If the basic point is which course takes longer to run, I would vote SJS since you're running above 11-12,000 feet for 30 miles or more.
Young Money ran SJS50 in ~8:13 last year when conditions were unbelievably perfect (no post holing, few snow drifts to cross, drier trails than usual, fewer creek crossings, and a 30 mph tailwind across the divide). And Lake City itself is such an amazing gem surrounded by 14ers with fantastic trails.
I loved SJS because at least it was singletrack and runnable. To me the style of course of Jemez from what I understand would be harder to enjoy.
MC drank spoiled rotten/fermented energy bar-water-mix out of his camelbak by accident and threw up 27 gallons worth at the finish and still ran 7h59, lol.
I'd come down that weekend. Would likely head up higher to get some actual running in too, but come down for the finish. Oh, and where do I get one of those Pikes maps with all the trails you were talking about JT?
July 23 it is! 7AM start. Bottle of PBR at Kinfolk's to the winner.
It's called the Pikes Peak Atlas. It's like porn for a trail runner. I think they're on sale at Mountain Chalet this week, I'll pick you up one.
Thanks dude, will probs be down next weekend. I'll shoot you an email, my buddy just got a place in Manitou so thinking about an Incline, LRR down, LRR up, Barr, Incline, Barr.
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